February 6, 2014

Transcript Of The Bill Nye Vs. Ken Ham Debate: Question And Answer Portion (Part I)

Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV

Question: How does creationism account for the celestial bodies, planets, stars, moons moving further and further apart? And what function does that serve in the grand design.
Ken Ham: Well, when it comes to looking at the universe, of course we believe that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And I believe there are creationist astronomers who say yeah you can observe the universe expanding. Why God is doing that? In fact in the bible, it even says he stretches out the heavens and seems to indicate that there is an expansion of the universe and so yeah, you can observe that that fits with what we call observational science. Exactly why God did it that way, I cannot answer that question of course because you know the bible says that God made the heavens for his glory. And that's why he made the stars that we see out there and it's to tell us how great he is and how big he is. And in fact I think that's the thing about universe. The universe is so large, so big out there. One of the planetarium programs looks at this and they'll show you how large the universe is. And I think it shows us how great God is. How big he is. That he's an all-powerful God. He's an infinite God. An infinite, all-knowing God who created the universe to show us his power. I mean can you imagine that? And the thing's that's remarkable in the bible when it says in the fourth day of creation and oh he made the stars also. So much like oh by the way, I made the stars and just to show us that he's an all-powerful God. he's an infinite God so I made the stars and he made them just to show us how great he is and he is. He is an infinite creator God and the more that you understand what that means that God is all powerful, infinite, you stand back in awe, you realize how small we are. You realize wow, that God would consider this planet is so significant that he created human beings here knowing they would sin and yet stepped into history to die for us, be raised from the dead, offers a free gift to salvation. Wow, what a God. And that's what I would say when I see the universe as it is.

Bill Nye: There's a question that troubles us all from the time we are absolutely youngest and first able to think. And that is where did we come from? Where did I come from? And this question is so compelling that we've invented the science of astronomy. We've invented life science. We've invented physics. We've discovered these natural laws so that we can learn more about our origin and where we came from. To you, when it says he invented the stars also, that's satisfying, you're done. Oh good, okay. To me when I look at the night sky, I wanna know what's out there, I'm driven. I wanna know if what's out there is any part of me and indeed it is. By the way, I find compelling you are satisfied. And the big thing I want from you Mr. Ham is can you come up with something that you can predict. Do you have a creation model that predicts something that will happen in nature?

Question: How did the atoms that created the Big Bang get there?
Bill Nye: This is a great mystery. You hit the nail on the head. What was before the big bang? This is what drives us. This is what we wanna know. Let's keep looking. Let's keep searching. When I was young, it was presumed that the universe was slowing down. There's the big bang. Pooowshhh. Except it's in outer space, there's no air so...goes out like that and so people presumed that it would slow down. That the universe, the gravity especially will hold everything together and maybe it's gonna come back and explode again and people went out and the mathematical expression is is the universe flat. It's a mathematical expression. Willl the universe slow down, slow down as...without ever stopping?  Well in 2004 Saul Perlmutter and his colleagues went looking for the rate at which the universe was slowing down. We're gonna, let's go out and measure it and we do it with these extraordinary system of telescopes around the world, looking at the night sky, looking for supernovae. These are standard brightness that you can infer distances with and the universe isn't slowing down. It's accelerating. The universe is accelerating in its expansion. And you know why? Nobody knows why. Nobody knows why. And you'll hear the expression nowadays dark energy, dark matter which are mathematical ideas that seem to reckon well with what seems to be the gravitational attraction of clusters of stars, galaxies and their expansion and then isn't it reasonable that whatever's out there causing the universe to expand is here also and we just haven't figured out how to detect it. My friends, suppose a science student  from the Commonwealth of Kentucky pursues a career in science and finds out the answer to that deep question. Where did we come from? What was before the Big Bang? To us, this is wonderful and charming and compelling. This is what makes us get up and go to work everyday is to try to solve the mysteries of the universe.

Ken Ham: Bill, I just want to let you know that there's actually a book out there that actually tells us where matter came from and the very first sentence in that book says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." And really, that's the only thing that makes sense. It's the only thing that makes sense of why not just matter is here, where it came from but why matter when you look at it, we have information and language systems that build life, not just matter. And where did that come from because matter can never produce information. Matter can never produce a language system. Language can only come from intelligence. Information only comes from information. The Bible tells us that the things we see like in the book of Hebrews are made from things that are unseen. An infinite creator God who created universe, created matter, the energy, space, mass, time, universe and created the information for life. It's the only thing that makes logical sense.





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